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Fantasy with Friends: What Fantasy Books Got You Interested in the Genre?

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Fantasy with Friends is a weekly meme hosted by the good people over at Pages Unbound. Fantasy with Friends poses questions each Monday about fantasy, either as a genre as a whole or individual works.

This week’s prompt is:

Is there a particular fantasy that got you interested in the genre? Do you remember any of the earliest fantasy books you read?

I think one of the earliest–maybe the earliest–fantasy novels I read was Jane Yolen’s The Wizard of Washington Square. I’m not positive it’s the right one, I spend a good amount of time looking for it this weekend, and it feels right. And I have a strong memory for where it was on the library shelves–and Yolen fits for alphabetical by author placement.

Several others followed–those that stand out the most are Julie Edwards’ The Last of the Really Great Whangdoodles (an all-time favorite), Robert C. O’Brien’s Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH was something I read a dozen or more times. A Wrinkle in Time, A Wind in the Door, and A Swiftly Tilting Planet were in heavy rotation (the fourth book in the series wasn’t released until I’d moved on from “Juvenile” fiction). The Phantom Tollbooth…what can be said about it that hasn’t been several times before? I’m not going to say anything about Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson, because the emotional scars are still raw. I have strong memories of reading Below the Root by Zilpha Keatley Snyder (not just because it didn’t help me at all with the Commodore 64 game), although I couldn’t find the rest of the trilogy in bookstores or the library.

Also, how cool is the name Zilpha?

There are two big series in my mind, though. John Christopher’s The Sword of the Spirits. I sadly remember very little of it–but I remember reading it often, and that it was one of the earlier books I remember that had a lot of morally gray moments and protagonists who weren’t to be admired all that much.

I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again (and again, and again, knowing me)–the big one for me is The Chronicles of Prydain. The Chronicles of Narnia and/or The Voyage of the Dawn Treader turned me into a C.S. Lewis reader, but the saga of Taran, the Assistant Pig-Keeper, Princess Eilonwy, the ex-king/would-be bard, Fflewddur Fflam, and the oracular pig, Hen Wen…that’s what turned me into a Fantasy reader. The stories based on Welsh-mythology, tapped into my imagination–shaped it, too, actually. Life, love, laughter, and loss–it’s all there. I’ve read the series twice in the last decade, and it still works. It’s my favorite from my childhood, and it’s one of my favorites still.

A few years after that, I came across the DragonLance Chronicles, DragonLance: Chronicles, the original Shannara trilogy and Magic Kingdom for Sale/Sold, and…well, we’ve left “earliest.”

I’m really looking forward to some of the other posts in response to this prompt, iT’s fun looking back on what early books shaped the readers we become.

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Fantasy with Friends: Has a Fantasy Book Inspired You to Learn More about a New Topic?

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Fantasy with Friends is a weekly meme hosted by the good people over at Pages Unbound. Fantasy with Friends poses questions each Monday about fantasy, either as a genre as a whole or individual works.

This week’s prompt is:

Has reading a fantasy book ever inspired you to do further research into something else?

Not really–I mean, Fantasy is pretty much about beyond reality, right? I mean, occasionally, I’d do a quick web search to check for a detail or two on a notable fae or mythological figure–just to make sure I remembered them correctly. I did that with Grossman’s The Bright Sword when it came to a knight or two, and some of the characters in Strange Practice by Vivian Shaw. That’s as close as I can think of when it comes to research.

Well, I mean–there’s looking into the backlist of a new-to-me author.

This prompt did made me think of How to Slay a Dragon: A Fantasy Hero’s Guide to the Real Middle Ages by Cait Stevenson.

What should you ask a magic mirror? How do you outwit a genie? Where should you dig for buried treasure? Fantasy media’s favorite clichés get new life from How to Slay a Dragon: A Fantasy Hero’s Guide to the Real Middle Ages, a historically accurate romp through the medieval world. Each entry presents a trope from video games, books, movies, or TV—such as saving the princess or training a wizard—as a problem for you to solve, as if you were the hero of your own fantasy quest. Through facts sourced from a rich foundation of medieval sources, you will learn how your magical problems were solved by people in the actual Middle Ages.

Divided into thematic subsections based on typical stages in a fantastical epic, and inclusive of race, gender, and continent, How to Slay a Dragon is perfect if you’re curious to learn more about the time period that inspired some of your favorite magical worlds or longing to know what it would be like to be the hero of your own mythical adventure.

Were I the sort to be inspired, I think that many of the questions I’d want to research were touched on by this book. Honestly, I was disappointed in the book–I really didn’t think it lived up to the premise. But still, there were some entertaining bits. Obviously, your results may vary. It wasn’t research per se–but it’s me looking into various and sundry fantasy tropes.

I’m really looking forward to some of the other posts in response to this prompt, if only because I expect a good recommendation or six.

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Fantasy with Friends: Today’s Fantasy Books I Think Will Become Fantasy Classics

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Fantasy with Friends is a weekly meme hosted by the good people over at Pages Unbound. Fantasy with Friends poses questions each Monday about fantasy, either as a genre as a whole or individual works.

This week’s prompt is:

What fantasy books do you think will be classics in the future?

This question is making me stumble. That’s not Pages Unbound’s fault. It’s just the way my brain works.

First, I’m stumbling over the idea of “contemporary.” Are we talking about the last couple of years, the 21st century, or something else? And, yes, I’m certain that the way this question is phrased is that it’s up to me to decide for the purpose of this post. I’m sticking with this century, although I’m squeamish about calling it contemporary.

For the purposes of this post, I’m not going to define classic as anything more than “you know it when you see it.”

The other problem I’m having with this question is that I don’t know how many people can predict what’ll become a classic. How many people e reading about that band in the Mines of Moria back in 1954 were thinking, “There will be an entire genre that’s largely defined by people reacting to/reacting against/building from this book?” Did Peter S. Beagle’s editor know the impact that little book about a unicorn would have on countless readers for decades?

Who knows what effect the events in the world and what’s being published are going to have on the aesthetics of generations to come? It’s so hard to guess what books will be read in 2060, what books that writers of 2090 will resonate with. How many of those things we’re throwing awards at will be punchlines to our great-grandkids?

Isn’t that part of the fun? Reading something and having no idea what people who aren’t on social media are thinking about it? What’s going to get passed on to a child/grandchild—and what percentage of that will actually get read? (I know full well what my kids do with the books I give them, but that doesn’t stop me from trying). I love it when I stumble onto someone younger than me stumbling onto The Prydain Chronicles and feeling what I felt in elementary school. I imagine a lot of Tolkien’s early fans felt a sense of satisfaction and surprise seeing his work captivate their children and grandchildren. I’m eager to look around in my dotage and see what I recognize on bookstore shelves—or the shelves in people’s homes (I’m one of those people who spend half their attention as a guest scoping out the titles on my host’s shelves to really understand them)

And lastly, I know that no one is going to bring up my guesses in 25 years to point and laugh at me. No one is going to Nelson Muntz me. (Will anyone in 25 years know Nelson Muntz?) This is, of course, assuming I live to my mid-70s. (get your mockery in early, folks—you don’t know what this sedentary lifestyle is going to do to my longevity).* Still, I hate giving an answer I can’t feel reasonably sure is correct.

My big prediction is that there are going to be fewer White European Dudes (percentage-wise) in the Fantasy Canon. We’re going to see a lot of non-Europeans, a lot of Women, and read a lot of voices that will make Tom Bombadil say, “That’s a little strange.” There are plenty of future classics that aren’t making a lot of Best Seller lists here in the States/UK, and my grandkids are going to go wild over them and shake their heads at me for missing.

But that meandering is not what the question asked for. So here’s my stab at it…just a stream of consciousness here, totally not binding. I hope that The Name of the Wind will be seen with affection by a bunch of people who can’t be bothered to care about the fate of The Doors of Stone. I don’t know if I’d put money on The Lies of Locke Lamora standing the test of time, but I’d love it if it would. It’s possible that all/part of A Song of Ice and Fire will be considered a classic—see TNotW, but all of them feel less stand-alone-ish than Rothfuss’ book is, so we might actually need a conclusion. I’m sure something by Jemisin—if not her entire oeuvre—will be a classic, I don’t know that I can choose one. Brandon Sanderson almost has to have a future in the canon—if only because of volume. Terry Pratchett, too (but will people find him funny?) R.L. Kuang? John Gwynn? Nnedi Okorafor? S.A. Chakraborty?

As much as I adore some of Gaiman’s works** I’m guessing his stuff is doomed to obscurity***. I don’t know if Joe Abercrombie is going to last longer than this generation (I hate to say that, I hope he does), ditto for Seanan McGuire or Jim Butcher. I’m not trying to throw shade on the subgenres, but I don’t know that the best Romantasy or Cozy Fantasy authors are going to be remembered, much less celebrated.

I cannot wait to see what titles and authors are mentioned by the less cautious bloggers–a.k.a. those who don’t have to issue paragraphs of disclaimers before their anxiety will let them publish–have to say. Check out this post for links to the braver-than-me-souls.

* Wow, this is taking a dark turn.

** Stay with me here.

*** Deservedly.

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Fantasy with Friends: My Favorite Fantasy Subgenres

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Fantasy with Friends is a weekly meme hosted by the good people over at Pages Unbound. Fantasy with Friends poses questions each Monday about fantasy, either as a genre as a whole or individual works.

This week’s prompt is:

Do you have any favorite subgenres of fantasy such as urban fantasy, historical fantasy, etc.?

Well, I think cozy fantasy is becoming a real favorite—cozy/cozy adjacent books. There’s the pure escapism, the warmth of friendship, family, the nigh-obligatory romance (not always that heavy, so even gruff guys like myself can handle it).

Shining Examples: Miss Percy’s Pocket Guide to the Care and Feeding of British Dragons (etc.), Legends and Lattes (etc.), The Guard in the Garden, Cursed Cocktails (etc.); Mrs. Covington’s.

Are portal fantasies considered a sub-genre? If so, I’d say I have a real soft-spot for them, ever since I read what happened to Lucy, Edmund, and Eustace after they got sucked into that painting of a ship. I can’t say that I’ve read a lot of them—but they’re practically an automatic-like for me.

Examples that jump to mind: The Great Way series (it’s a portal fantasy involving two non-Earth realities, which adds to the cool-factor), The Last of the Really Great Whangdoodles, The Guardians of Aandor series, The Blackwood Saga, the Nav’Aria series, and the Wayward Children series.

But really, when it comes to sub-genres, it’s all about Urban Fantasy for me. Those who spend too much time looking at the Fiction categories at the top of my page will note that I have 2 for Fantasy—Urban and everything else. I read some things as a child that I think qualify (don’t ask me what—I wish I could remember, I want to re-read them), but moved on to “regular Fantasy” because there wasn’t a lot of options. Then TV’s Buffy Summers came along and reminded me just how great the idea was. A few years later, I met Harry Dresden, and that was so much better than anything Buffy could do (no UPN/WB budget constraints)—and I discovered the genre had a name. Harry was quickly followed by Rachel Morgan and her crew, then Kitty Norville, and a few others I’ve largely forgotten. Soon after that I met Simon Canderous, Mercy Thompson, Toby Daye, Peter Grant and the Folly; the Iron Druid Chronicles, Alex Verus, The Twenty Palaces, InCryptid, The Spellmason Chronicles, Jane Yellowrock/Soulwood; Fred, the vampire Accountant; An Inheritance of Magic series, The Unorthodox Chronicles, The Chronos Chronicles, The Inner Circle…and so many others. One of my sons got me hooked on Skulduggery Pleasant, I should hasten to add—UF is a thing even in the Middle Grade world.

Why does it have an appeal? I think a lot of it comes from the way they ultimately become some sort of detective novel—which is my first love when it comes to storytelling in any format. Throw in magic and the other goodies that come along with fantasy, and I’m as happy as a well-fed ogre.

There was a time—shortly after Rachel, Ivy, and Jenks joined Harry, Murph, and Bob in my “I have to read more like this” list that UF is all I looked for—new-to-me Urban Fantasies—in bookstores and in my library. This led me to read a lot of things that I’d just as soon forget (and largely have)—but it also got me to read some things I really enjoyed, and wish I could remember. But it’s the series that really stuck with me—the way they all deal with the same ideas in very different ways. For example—the Dresden files has 3 types of werewolves, Kitty Norville has multiple lycanthrope species, Mercy Thompson/Alpha and Omega have just one—and they don’t match Dresden’s (but do come close to Kitty’s werewolves); the Iron Druid’s weres seem more like Kitty’s, but aren’t quite; The Cronos Chronicles‘ are along those lines—but significant differences remain. There’s also the way that they depict the non-supernatural world around them. Are some/all of the types of magical/fantasy types known to normies? How do they react/relate to them? Can electronics survive in the presence of a mage/wizard? And so on. Don’t even get me started on the variety of Fae represented by the above, or we could be here a long time. You can get that variety in Fantasy—you can’t come close in the muggle-world detective novels.

So there you go–my favotie subgenre is Urban Fantasy, but it has some competition. Especially if that Nobledark thing takes off.

I’m really looking forward to some of the <a href=”https://pagesunbound.wordpress.com/2026/04/20/my-favorite-fantasy-subgenres-fantasy-with-friends/” target=”_blank” rel=”noopener>other posts in response to this prompt–if only because I expect a good recommendation or six.

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Fantasy with Friends: Do You Prefer High or Low Fantasy?

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Fantasy with Friends is a weekly meme hosted by the good people over at Pages Unbound. Fantasy with Friends poses questions each Monday about fantasy, either as a genre as a whole or individual works.

This week’s prompt is:

Do you prefer low or high fantasy? Or both?

As with almost every question I can think of along these lines, I’m going to have to go with “the one I’m currently reading/most currently read.” Unless, of course, I didn’t like that book. I can name favorites on either side of that division (although I’m afraid some purists would consider a lot of things I dub “low” are “high” thanks to the subjective nature of the categories).

But…wand to my head, I’d have to say high fantasy is my preference. I want all the bells and whistles—magic users, fantasy creatures, mystical MacGuffins, ancient prophecies, maybe even a Chosen One, and so on. They can be dark or silly—the escapism from this world, the

Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled Citywas so entertaining that I didn’t even notice there was zero magic, and is the first example I can think of for “low” fantasy. The minimal (or at least seemingly minimal magic of) The First Law trilogy or the Eddie LaCrosse books is really appealing—sure, there’s a possibility that a dragon or wizard might show up, but basically it’s about a human, their wits, and ability to use a weapon against some challenge. Although it’s a lot of fun to see when the high fantasy elements do seep in. I have to admit that in the last few months I’ve read two fantasy novels that were so low, I lost patience with them and kept muttering “where’s the fantasy?” as I read them.

Most of the cozy fantasies I’ve read qualify as “low,” if you cave out a caveat or three. And it’s generally the “low” parts of those that make them the most interesting, the interpersonal stuff plus the other—opening a jam shop, becoming a local beat cop, baking, running a bar and creating nachos, and so on. The “high” bits are just what make them cozy fantasy, and not cozy fiction.

But when you (in the general sense, not necessarily you) think of “Fantasy,” you’re inevitably thinking of High Fantasy—the One Ring, Dragons, mages like Raistlin, vorpal swords, elves, dwarves, kenders/hobbits/halflings, goblins, orcs, and so on. There’s a reason for that. They’re characteristic of the genre, they’re what (probably) initially attracted you to the genre, and they are the source of a lot of the fun of the genre.

I’m really looking forward to some of the other posts in response to this prompt, if only because I expect a good recommendation or six.

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Fantasy with Friends: How Do You Define “Fantasy?”

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Fantasy with Friends is a weekly meme hosted by the good people over at Pages Unbound. Fantasy with Friends poses questions each Monday about fantasy, either as a genre as a whole or individual works.

This week’s prompt is:

How do you define “fantasy” as a genre?

This is tougher than I’d think—you know it when you see it? Nah, that’s not satisfactory. Well, there’s that old line from Clark about sufficiently advanced science, right? Fantasy is like that—just there’s no science involved (and no interest in it).

It’s a work of fiction with an accepted active supernatural world—magic, creatures like dragons, owlbears, hippogriffs, etc. Usually set in some sort of pre-Industrial world (frequently one where Industrialism isn’t needed—see Abercrombie’s recent The Age of Madness trilogy to see an exception). Even if it’s a work without a lot of evidence of magic or those creatures, and so on Our friends at Merriam-Webster use phrases like, “conceived or seemingly conceived by unrestrained fancy” and “so extreme as to challenge belief” to define “fantastical,” and that’s pretty close to me.

Even the no science thing is slippery, Bennett’s Shadow of the Leviathan books have a science. Just nothing we’d recognize as such. And there’s enough fantastical elements to that science to keep it in the world of Fantasy. Other examples I can think of fall into similar paths (I just can’t think of a more science-y Fantasy…oh, Blood Over Bright Haven, too). Even outside of Urban Fantasy (set in a world much like our own with matching technology), there are plenty of exceptions to the above. So many, in fact, that my definitions are useless. Bringing me back to the “you know it when you see it.”

Okay, it took 200+ words for me to just say, “I dunno, really.” And that’s after two drafts of this post. I don’t have the time or patience for a third–and I’m pretty sure it’d just be adding more words and coming up with the same result. I’m really looking forward to some of the other posts in response to this prompt to help me come up with a definition that I like.

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Fantasy with Friends: Underrated Fantasy Books

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Fantasy with Friends is a weekly meme hosted by the good people over at Pages Unbound. Fantasy with Friends poses questions each Monday about fantasy, either as a genre as a whole or individual works.

This week’s prompt is:

What is an underrated fantasy book you would recommend?

When I saw this prompt, one title jumped immediately to mind. “Well, this is going to be an easy post,” I said to myself. And then I felt bad that I didn’t think of another book. Then another came to mind, and when I started actually writing. I will do my best to stop thinking about it so I can actually finish this post.

The Tufa Series by Alex Bledsoe

I’ve never seen anyone else talk about this fantastic series about a small ethnic group in Appalachia who are supernaturally wonderful musicians. And just supernatrual, too. I loved each and every one of these, even if I didn’t write about them all. For more information, check out https://alexbledsoe.com/the-tufa/.

The Art of Prophecy by Wesley Chu

Despite having loved this so much, I’ve yet to read the other two books in the trilogy. There’s Chosen One, who turns out not to have been; there’s a cranky old woman who’s the greatest martial artist alive–who teaches the spoiled brat who turns out not to be that Chosen more than anyone expected; there’s an assassin going around causing trouble and…so much else going on. I was blown away by this wuxia-inspired novel and highly commend it. (as I tried to express here)

The Hero Interviews by Andi Ewington

This is the one that jumped immediately to mind. Ewington’s satire/celebration/commentary on D&D and related fiction/games is ridiculous and thoughtful. In this book, a non-adventurer goes around interviewing all sorts of Fantasy types who are adventurers or are adventurer-adjacent about what it means to be a hero. He finds a lot more than that–and maybe learns a bit about himself. (I gushed about it here)

The Part About the Dragon Was (Mostly) True by Sean Gibson

Speaking of hilarity…this book tells the story of how a group of adventurers vanquish a dragon. It’s a well-known historical account. This book also is a telling of what really happened that didn’t quite make the official account. That’s as succinct as I can put it. Don’t miss it. (I rambled about it a bit more here)

I’m sure some of the other posts in response to this prompt will be more thoughtful and will include titles I need to add to my list. I’m looking forward to reading them. Do you have responses to this? (either for the comment section below or from your own post)

Fantasy with Friends: Portrayals of Religion in Fantasy

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Fantasy with Friends is a weekly meme hosted by the good people over at Pages Unbound. Fantasy with Friends poses questions each Monday about fantasy, either as a genre as a whole or individual works.

This week’s prompt is:

What are some interesting portrayals of religion in fantasy? Do you like seeing invented religions, or do you prefer fantasy worlds to have none?

Let’s get that second question out of the way first–a fantasy world without any religion is completely unbelievable. Now, I’m not saying that every Fantasy novel has to talk about it, give us details, or anything–there can just be a passing mention of a deity, temple, priest, cleric, whatever–even just a religious symbol. This is an invitation for someone to suggest a religion-free fantasy to me to make me eat my words.

Now, I think it’s obvious to anyone who’s even glanced at what I post on weekends that I take religion pretty seriously, and I like to see books that do that, too. There’s a danger in that when it comes to, say, Crime Fiction—because that typically ends up with a religion/church being depicted in a less-than-flattering way, a protagonist throwing out their faith (at least for a time) to get something nasty done, hypocrites run-wild, etc. And actual, according-to-Hoyle, blasphemy is lurking around the corner for an even well-intentioned author to stumble into (or a not-so-well-intentioned author to rush into). This also comes up in SF about humans in either the far-flung or near future. If we get into an alien race’s religion, we’re typically on safer ground. (there are exceptions to this, I said “typically” not “universally.”)*

The same is true in Fantasy—typically, we get totally made-up religions—yes, there might be an analogue to one in our world, but that’s not the same thing. And it’s not just the religions that are made up—the deities and their mythologies are made up, as are the rites, beliefs, etc. When an author chooses to spend some time on this, they can do a lot. This can be fertile ground to display world-building, for creating ethical grounds for the character’s actions/attitudes, and for plot as well. I don’t want to say it’s a must for a Fantasy novel, but it does make the world more “lived-in” when there’s some sort of religion (even if the characters are non-practicing and it’s a wholly background thing mentioned once or twice).

Here are six depictions of religion in Fantasy that leap to mind. (Yes, I could spend some more time and come up with a longer list—but I’ve got to cut it off somewhere). Five of these I really appreciated, and one has bothered me for a long time and bugs me more the more I think about it.

The Princess Beard by Delilah S. Dawson and Kevin Hearne

Let’s start with something silly. Throughout this book (I don’t remember this showing up in the first two books in the series), the Sn’archivist receives direct revelation from the god of Pellanus. He’s spent most of his life on one subject–but now Pellanus has come up with a new book for the Sn’archivist, and the topic is…let’s go with odd. Perhaps even at the level of juvenile humor (okay, not “perhaps.”). We check in on this poor, beleaguered figure throughout the book, and it’s sillier practically every time.

Theft of Swords by Michael J. Sullivan

I’m embarrassed to admit how little I remember about the religion of this one (a good excuse to reread it–and finally the rest of the series). But I do remember a fairly corrupt church leadership, prone to twisting events to fit their own ends. I also remember a faithful priest, dedicated to service and unaware of how corrupt the leadership was (or maybe he was aware and just didn’t let it alter his practices). I remember admiring the priest and hoping the best for him, and can easily imagine several in that sort of position during many time periods in reality.

Widdershins Adventures by Ari Marmell

Well, I did a quick fact check on this, and I was conflating a couple of series together. So, I had to throw out a lengthy paragraph. Still, I really enjoyed this series featuring a young woman thief who is the only follower of a god from another country than her own. As this god’s only follower–she’s possibly the only person alive who’s heard of Olgun–she essentially has him living in her head, communicating with her freely (and inopportunely). The not-always-friendly relationship between these two characters makes the series shine, as together they take on enemies supernatural and mundane.

Spiderlight by Adrian Tchaikovsky

The underlying beliefs of the religion aren’t that terribly outstanding. What stuck with me is the ecclesiastical structure/religious culture of it. (Okay, there’s some bits of the religion that stuck with me, but they all involve ruining the book if you haven’t read it yet). The book focuses on an adventuring party, and their cleric/leader’s religious beliefs inform the telling of the book and are the default setting for the reader. Then, midway through the book, we meet their archbishop (I don’t remember if that’s the actual name, but it’s an episcopalian structure, so that’ll work). His take on prophecy, orthodoxy, interpretation, and the like is significantly different than the cleric’s. But he doesn’t demand she agree with him. Then we meet a sect of the church that disagrees with both, with an even more significantly different take on a particular prophecy. Their existence suggests they’re not the only one around. Basically, you’ve got a bunch of people vying for conceptions of truth (to be commended–even if I can’t sign off on their methods) and power. It’s a kind of Church that feels real, lived in.

The Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch

The religious lives of the Gentleman Bastards are part of their identity–they are the congregation for their temple. At the same time, they don’t really seem to care about their god, Crooked Warden, the god of thieves. It’s about their duties to the temple. In their youth, Jean Tannen went and trained with students of another god, and could carry out their rites. (I cannot remember if the rest of the group did something similar). While it didn’t seem to be encouraged–or even openly discussed that much–but the idea that the various priests had an understanding where one could step in for another is kinda cool.

Wizard in Rhyme Series by Christopher Stasheff

I haven’t read this entire series, so maybe it gets better–or some of my problems with this get ironed out. But a man is sucked into a parallel universe of some sort. Earth physics work, as does some sort of magic–and the Roman catholic church exists there, too. Well, it’s a pre-Reformation Church (and one without any of the Eastern Orthodox communities). What irks me is the way that Roman Catholicism exists in this world–how does that happen? Also, the way that our Earthling is able to get Saints and others to work things in favor of the rightful ruler (and those working for her cause) just seems odd. It almost makes the religion another form of magic–belittling it. It’s been too many years since I read them last (and I really enjoyed the first book…the next one less so, and the next less…), so my recollection is liable to be faulty, but I’m pretty sure about it.

So, anyway–these are some of the more memorable Fantasy uses of religion. If I took a week or two off, I’d be able to come up with more. This aspect of a Fantasy novel can really make things sing–can make the world feel alive in ways that other things can’t (I should’ve mentioned A Drop of Corruption by Robert Jackson Bennett, I now realize), and I don’t think it gets enough attention compared to other parts of the worldbuilding.

* I’m not trying to suggest that various congregations, church leaders, even ecclesiastical structures don’t have this kind of depiction coming–nor that there’s a good amount of realism to base it off of. I just don’t see as many positive, or even mixed, depictions in SF/Crime Fiction, so I’m not as liable to be able to list depictions of religion in those genres that I like as I can in Fantasy.

I’m sure some of the other posts in response to this prompt will be more thoughtful. I’m looking forward to reading them. Do you have responses to this? (either for the comment section below or from your own post)

Fantasy with Friends: Do You Enjoy Books with Schools of Magic?

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Fantasy with Friends is a weekly meme hosted by the good people over at Pages Unbound. Fantasy with Friends poses questions each Monday about fantasy, either as a genre as a whole or individual works.

This week’s prompt is:

Do you enjoy books about schools of magic, or do you think they are overdone? Do you have any favorite magical schools or magical school books?

On the one hand, I feel like I’ve read a million of these, but I’m having trouble coming up with actual names:

  • There’s Hogwarts, of course, that’s going to be pretty much everyone’s first thought, right? (as much as many of us don’t want it to be, for variety of reasons)
  • Of course, you’ve got Brakebills University for Magical Pedagogy, which is both cooler, and freakier than that.
  • I remember liking The Osthorne Academy of Young Mages from Sarah Gailey’s Magic for Liars, but don’t ask me anything about it.
  • I’ve never gotten around to reading about Novik’s Scholomance (I don’t even know the full name), but I’ve heard a lot of good, bad, and meh about it. So I don’t know if I actually will get around to it.
  • I’ve also never gotten around to reading Rowell’s books about the Watford School of Magicks (and I really only skimmed the bits from Fanboy about it, too).
  • Annnd…that’s it. That’s all I can remember.

This suggests that I haven’t read as many as I think I have, or that my memory is garbage. I’m ready to believe either.

The Summer Program at the Bureau of Supernatural Affairs kind of counts, but not really. Ditto for Camp Half-Blood or Camp Jupiter. Drew Hayes’ Trestlevend University comes close, too. But all of these are really for parahuman/supernatural beings, not quite magic schools.

So, do I think they’re overdone? Maybe, but I clearly haven’t over-read from them. But also, anything can be “overdone” until it’s not. It’s all about the execution, not the elements that make it up. Sure, many things could scream “Hogwarts Knockoff,” but it could be written in such a distinct, clever, and engrossing way that we’ll all start saying that “Hogwarts walked so [insert name] could run.” Any trope, theme, setting, or character type can be overdone, tired, or used enough to be a cliche. But if the right author comes along and deals with them in their own particular way, we just won’t care.

Do I enjoy these? Sure–if everything else is compelling. That’s kind of the core, really–I liked the silly escapism of Hogwarts, and the almost complete lack of silliness to Brakebills. I can’t tell you why I enjoyed Osthorne, but I think it was just a step or two away from a typical American High School depiction, just with that magic flair. It’s really not the school–it’s the depiction of it and the world it’s in.

Basically, if you throw a bunch of mages (or whatever you want to call them) of various skill levels in a building together, and insert some sort of outside complication or inside conflict, something entertaining is bound to happen. Kids with adults, rookie adults with experienced adults? Doctorates and grad students mixing together? Whatever. All of those can be a source of whimsy, comedy, horror, drama, trauma, adventure, and so many other things. So yeah, bring ’em on.

I’m sure some of the other posts in response to this prompt will be more thoughtful. I’m looking forward to reading them. Do you have responses to this? (either for the comment section below or from your own post)

Fantasy with Friends: What Are Your Favorite Fantasy Dragons?

Fantasy with Friends A Discussion Meme Hosted by Pages Unbound

Fantasy with Friends is a weekly meme hosted by the good people over at Pages Unbound. Fantasy with Friends poses questions each Monday about fantasy, either as a genre as a whole or individual works.

This week’s prompt is:

There are many interpretations of dragons in literature – evil, wise, talking, non-talking, etc. Do you have a favorite way of portraying dragons or a specific book you loved the dragon(s) in?

It’s hard to think of a bad portrayal of a dragon—there are just varieties and levels of good, right? Like Pizza or…well, you know..

There’s just something about these serpentine creatures that captures the imagination—just look at the number of that crop up in stories world over for centuries now, from Wales to China and beyond. Spend a little time watching video of a Komodo Dragon and you get a little of the flavor that inspired so many—they’re so alien, so powerful, grawlixing fascinating. And Fantasy authors/filmmakers/illustrators/animators have taken that fertile ground and run wild with it.

Rabid, vicious beasty. Noble animal ridden by knights/warriors like a war horse. Intelligent being with incredible power (and frequently wisdom). I’ll take any of them. I think I prefer the intelligent, talking kind—of course, I think the same thing about dogs in fiction. Or almost any animal. But I’m getting distracted.

I think back to Dragonlance in general—but specifically to The Legend of Huma and the great dogfights (no species disrespect intended) between mounted riders. They really ignited my fascination with the species–but I can’t remember not being into dragons before that, either. You get some of the same in Paolini’s Inheritance Cycle (I think, I only read the first one ages ago). Or, you get that—but with talking dragons in Novak’s Temeraire series. (did Paolini’s dragons talk? I forget. Hope my second son doesn’t read this post, or I’m going to get a stern talking to). I don’t read much anymore that really features that kind of use of dragons—but I suddenly really want to.

Lately, most of the dragons I can think of are solitary figures with their hoard. Like Eustace (and his predecessor) or Smaug. The Dragon species as depicted in McGuire’s InCryptid books are fascinating. You get the sole, powerful being with his hoard—that’s also almost humanized by his mates (that’s not the right term, but I’m not sitting next to the books to get a better one as I type this up).

Then there are the dragons in Evan Winter’s The Burning–that was a grim vision of dragons (not unlike those of Westeros, just maybe a bit more dangerous). The dragony draccus that Kvothe and Denna encounter. The dragon in the Alex Verus books is one of the more daunting creatures I can think of in Fantasy. Peter Beagle’s variety of them from I’m Afraid You’ve Got Dragons is a take we need more of.

I’m not super-crazy about Harry Dresden’s Ferrovax or Fred, The Vampire Accountant’s Gideon, the King of the West–super powerful and ancient dragons, who walk around looking like humans. I mean, they’re cool characters—I just don’t like that kind of dragon in theory, I want them to be unmistakably dragony.

I do think my favorite recent(ish) dragon is Eoin Colfer’s Vern (short for Wyvern). He’s lived all over the world over the last 3,000 years, but hides out in the swamps of Lousinana when we meet him in Highfire. He spends his days drinking vodka, binging Netflix, and being lazy (until it’s time for him to get all terrifying and viscious). I need to revisit him.

I can’t neglect Zoth-Avarex, the Self-Proclaimed Greatest Dragon in the Multiverse, either. Lockhaven has a lot of fun with him in the novel that shares his name, the sequel novella, and then The Azure Archipelago series. He’s egotistical, a hoot to read about, and has a surprising arc after all. You love to see him get his comeuppance…and to see him grow. Lockhaven’s got a new book on the horizon and the dragon in that one is one you really need to meet. That’s all I can say now.

Oh, I shouldn’t forget the cute hatchling from Miss Percy—I haven’t read the rest of the series, so I can’t comment on what he becomes. Come on—a clumsy lizard acting like a devoted puppy? Just so good.

I think I started with an outline and thesis in mind, but I got all distracted and just started rambling about some particular dragons. It fits, because it’s hard to be organized when you think about this kind of thing. Dragons, like bow ties and Stetsons, are cool. Everything else is just icing on the cake. We might as well just revel in it.

I’m sure some of the other posts in response to this prompt will be more thoughtful. I’m looking forward to reading them. Do you have responses to this? (either for the comment section below or from your own post)

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